Marlon Brando. He was the only fighter to beat fellow Hall of Famer Gene Tunney. 3 DVD. Roberto Duran vs. Sugar Ray Leonard (first bout) Gene Tunney and Billy Conn. Tony Canzoneri . Sugar Ray Robinson, 37 2. Boxing as many of you know . In the end, the judges all scored for Greb: 144-137, 143-137, 143-137. 9) Tiger Flowers. Seano can take a joke, no need to stir. DVD #4 Ray Robinson vs Dennis Moyer I - 42 minutes vs Dennis Moyer II - 40 minutes. The testimonies of those there to see the greatest performance by a British fighter, Randolph Turpin vs Sugar Ray Robinson, tell the story of a truly stunning contest. Greb wins by unanimous decision and advances to the final four. Muhammad Ali (R) with Ringo Starr and George Harrison of the Beatles in 1964. . Arturo Gatti vs. Micky Ward. Harry Greb 6. 3 DVD. Gene Tunney 16. Thomas Hearns, 8 5. Joined: Jul 22, 2012 Messages: I definitely rank Sugar Ray number 1 with Greb around 3rd or 4th, but I know there's quite a few people that favour Harry Greb. DVD #6 Ray Robinson vs Carmen Basilio I and II - 1 hour vs Ralph Tiger Jones - 40 minutes. "The peaks are obvious: the Harry Greb-Mickey Walker-Tiger Flowers era in the 20's; the Tony Zale-Rocky Graziano-Jake LaMotta era in the 40's that led right into the Ray Robinson-Gene Fullmer-Carmen Basilio era in the 50's; the Marvin Hagler-Tommy Hearns-Ray Leonard era in the 80's." December 3, 2021. Arturo "Thunder" Gatti. Fight is at 155 lbs for both fights. Randolph Turpin vs Sugar Ray Robinson 70 years on. Sugar Ray Robinson 2. #1- Sugar Ray Robinson vs #3 Harry Greb Winner- #3- Harry Greb via split decision or late round DQ. Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Roy Jones Jr. Julio Cesar Chavez vs. Joe Frazier: Chavez (107-6-2, 86 KOs) had 37 title fights and 27 defenses, the most in history on either count. Tony Canzoneri 21 . In fact, he had well over 100 bouts before he began to campaign full-time in the higher weight division. Muhammad Ali vs. Ken Norton. Answer (1 of 9): A hundred heavyweights would beat Canelo—so lets talk middleweights. Sure, he won the Middleweight Title 5 times, but also lost it 4 times. Harry Greb . Dec 2018 311 NY Jan 23, 2021 #5 The 4 most intimidating boxers of all time. Greb was also . Most observers believe they couldn't have been more different in and out of the ring. This is a really nice video breaking down how Sugar Ray punched to generate maximum amount of power. Randolph Turpin vs Sugar Ray Robinson 70 years on. 3 DVD. Harry Greb fought nearly 60 top 10 P4P fighters and went 40-12-5 against them spending over 9 years on the P4P list. Robinson landed a big left hook in round 6 which rocked Leonard. Ike Williams 1946.65 12. Gene Fullmer 13. Harry Greb 2052.88 3. Surprisingly lost the title to Randolph Turpin (PTS 15) in his first defense during . Answer (1 of 5): If you know boxing than you are aware that Sugar Ray Robinson is generally considered the greatest boxer of all-time. Henry Armstrong 3. Born in Cincinnati, Ohio, on July 22, 1923, Costner was raised during . Jack Dempsey vs. Gene Tunney II print. DVD #5 Ray Robinson vs Bobo Olson II, II, IV - 1 hour 10 minutes. Evander Holyfield vs. Riddick Bowe. Robinson exemplified controlled grace. The current bracket is located here: Martialtalk Boxing Tournament - Challonge The new poll is between Jack Dempsey. Already viewed as a living legend following his welterweight reign, he added to his mystique by beating archrival Jake LaMotta (TKO 13), his fifth win out of six battles with "the Bronx Bull," to become middleweight champion in 1951…. Roberto Duran 10. Harry Greb UD 15 Sergio Martinez. Ezzard Charles 1962.89 10. He was a master Boxer and a good puncher "pre-Sugar Ray Robinson," who is also one of the great pound-for-pound boxers of all time. He fought a staggering 28 . Page 2 of 2 < Prev 1 2. Harlem Tommy Murphy vs. Abe Attell 1912 Ray Miller vs. Jimmy McLarnin 1929 Frank Battaglia vs. Paul Pirrone 1934 King Tut vs. Bruce Flowers 1930 Jack Johnson and pet pig "Victory" 1910 Kid Gaviland vs. Sugar Ray Robinson 1949 Willie Ludick vs. Curtis Cokes 1968 Georges Carpentier vs. Harry Greb, a star in the 1920s, is considered by boxing historians to be one of the greatest middleweights of all time. Gennady Golovkin 12. The legendary Sugar Ray Robinson was the only fighter to appear on the list twice after winning back-to-back recognition for the 1940s and 1950s. Middleweight: 1) Sugar Ray Robinson, 2) Carlos Monzon, 3) Harry Greb, 4) Marvelous Marvin Hagler, 5) Bernard Hopkins Junior Middleweight: 1) Thomas Hearns, 2) Mike McCallum, 3) Terry Norris, 4 . He was the only fighter to beat fellow Hall of Famer Gene Tunney. 3 DVD. #1) Sugar Ray Robinson vs #9) Sugar Ray Leonard: The first five rounds were a chess match. Muhammad Ali 4. "The peaks are obvious: the Harry Greb-Mickey Walker-Tiger Flowers era in the 20's; the Tony Zale-Rocky Graziano-Jake LaMotta era in the 40's that led right into the Ray Robinson-Gene Fullmer-Carmen Basilio era in the 50's; the Marvin Hagler-Tommy Hearns-Ray Leonard era in the 80's." All Heavy weights. Floyd Mayweather Jr. 5, Kid Gavilan 3, Emile Griffith 2, Felix Trinidad 2, Manny Pacquiao 1 Junior welterweight Harry Greb is generally considered the 2nd greatest p4p fighter of all time after Robinson alot of people actually think he should be number 1, but the reason many have been against placing him as . Not me! Update: Flowers won the title from the great Harry Greb and beat him 2 out of 3! By Matt Bozeat. Battling Levinsky 1921 Bobby Ruffin vs. Mike Belloise 1941 Young McGowan vs. Phil McGovern His career spanned 299 fights and remains rated at number 5 all time greatest boxer by The Ring magazine, and number 1 at middleweight ahead of Sugar Ray Robinson. Peter Jackson, Frank Slavin, Stanley Ketchel, Harry Greb, Sugar Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Jake Lamotta, Muhammad Ali, Rocky Graziano, Larry Holmes, Matthew Saad Muhammad, Marlon Starling and many others too numerous to mention. Sugar Ray Robinson: The idea of matching Sergio Martinez with the immortal Sugar Ray on the surface seems outrageous. . Boxing News Clipping #331 - Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Jake LaMotta, Willie Pep vs. Frank Franconeri, Maxie Shapiro vs. Bob Montgomery, Fritzie Zivic vs. Red Cochrane, Tommy Tucker and others. Mickey Walker 7. But remember this is not the unbeatable Robinson who terrorized welterweights. George "Sugar" Costner, one of a handful of Sugar Ray Robinson pretenders, had a respectable career in the ring, but suffered two embarrassing losses at the hands of the only "Sugar.". Greb was victorious against Mickey Walker, Johnny Wilson and Augie Ratner all whilst blind in one eye (he died prematurely following complications with eye surgery). For those wanting to know what it is, the original threads explaining it can be located here Martial Talk Boxing Tournament and Martial Talk Boxing Tournament With Poll/Bracket. Barney Ross 1947.24 11. Henry Armstrong, 24 4. By Springs Toledo. Floyd Mayweather 17. Also a few days ago an answerer stated that if Joe Frazier had never faced Muhammad Ali he would have been a nobody. The testimonies of those there to see the greatest performance by a British fighter, Randolph Turpin vs Sugar Ray Robinson, tell the story of a truly stunning contest. The Pittsburgh Windmill was known for an aggressive style that overwhelmed his opponents. Willie Pep 9. Gene Fullmer 13. Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Roberto Duran. Muhammad Ali (R) with Ringo Starr and George Harrison of the Beatles in 1964. . Many believe Gennady Golovkin beat Canelo. Sugar Ray Robinson vs Harry GrebFight Night Champion Simulation Realistic Stats CPU vs CPU Don't forget to leave a thumbs up and comment what fight's you w. DVD #7 Ray Robinson vs Bobby Dykes - 50 minutes. Harry Greb. Boxing News Clipping #333 - James P. Roberts, Rolin . James Toney vs Mike McCallum: 3 DVD Marco A. Barrera vs Erik Morales: 3 DVD 3 DVD. He was survived by his parents, Mr and Mrs Pius Greb, his 6-year-old daughter Dorothy, and three . But remember this is not the unbeatable Robinson who terrorized welterweights. Costner later gained a measure of redemption outside the ring, against great odds. December 3, 2021. Does anyone here think that Harry Greb was an all-time greater boxer than Sugar Ray Robinson and why? Bernard Hopkins 10. Arturo "Thunder" Gatti. Derik Santos, George Kambosos Jr., Lopez vs Kambosos, Omar Figueroa, Teofimo Lopez. Battling Levinsky 1921 Bobby Ruffin vs. Mike Belloise 1941 Sugar Ray Robinson: The idea of matching Sergio Martinez with the immortal Sugar Ray on the surface seems outrageous. Sugar Ray Robinson 2. Sugar Ray Robinson vs Lazslo Papp Carlos Monzon vs Tony Zale Marvin Hagler vs Tommy Ryan Harry Greb vs Gene Fullmer Stanley Ketchel vs Marcel Cerdan Mickey Walker vs Jake LaMotta Bernard Hopkins vs Bob Fitzsimmons Charley Burley vs Roy Jones Jr. His only three … George "Sugar" Costner, one of a handful of Sugar Ray Robinson pretenders, had a respectable career in the ring, but suffered two embarrassing losses at the hands of the only "Sugar.". Some sources list his year of birth as 1887, but 1886 is generally accepted as the year Ketchel was born. Jose Napoles, 8. Archie Moore 1975.61 8. Thomas Hearns 15. Roy Jones Junior 8. Benny Leonard 11. No film footage which hurts Greb's argument but Dempsey said he was the fastest he ever saw as did most of his contemporaries. Nicknamed "The Pittsburgh Windmill", Harry Greb had a remarkable career, finishing with over 200 total bouts. Archie Moore 13. Muhammad Ali vs. Joe Frazier. Sugar Ray was actually a better welterweight than he was as a middleweight. Emile Griffith 18. $7.95. He earned the title of "the Pittsburgh Windmill" due to his ferocious attack. Alden Chodash. What are your feelings about this statement directed toward Frazier? Really good stuff. If GGG were younger it would have been decisive. Monzon vs Hostak: Hostak has respectable power. When he was in his true prime he was certainly the fastest of his generation and maybe of them all. Muhammad Ali. It was an older Greb, but those are legendary wins. DVD #6 Ray Robinson vs Carmen Basilio I and II - 1 hour vs Ralph Tiger Jones - 40 minutes. Ray Robinson may be the greatest boxer ever, but Harry Greb was right up there. Marlon Brando. Harry Greb . Sam Langford 9. "Terrible" Terry Norris. Sunfish, Oct 8, 2014 #21. SMOKESTACK LIGHTNING: HARRY GREB, 1919 . Jack Johnson 15. Henry Armstrong 2010.28 5. Ray Leonard 12. He fought . Thanks ahead of time for your answers. Greb W15 (unanimous decision) #4) Bernard Hopkins vs #9) Sugar Ray Leonard: Benny Leonard 2019.76 4. Sumbu Kalambay 17. It was an older Greb, but those are legendary wins. The Pittsburgh Windmill was known for an aggressive style that overwhelmed his opponents. Embed from Getty Images. ON TUESDAY, July 10, 1951, Pete Price watched his boyhood friend become the most famous fighter in the world. . Emile Griffith 18. Ray Robinson 2. XThe GreatestX Gold Belt. 1951 SUGAR RAY ROBINSON vs RANDY TURPIN II Vintage Boxing Photo POLO GROUNDS, NY . [8] In 2004, Ring magazine named Ketchel #6 on their list, 100 Best Punchers of All Time. His career lasted from 1911-1932, with 89 wins (70 KOS), 6 losses, and 1 draw with 115 no-decisions. Harry Greb has a 13-year boxing career from 1913 to 1926, in which he won 105 fights with 48 knockouts. Stanley Ketchel 14. Harry Greb, a star in the 1920s, is considered by boxing historians to be one of the greatest middleweights of all time. Sunfish Martinez Belt. Joe Louis 5. Harry Greb UD 15 Sergio Martinez. Jimmy Wilde (1916-1923) Pancho Villa (1923; Died of blood poisoning, July 14, 1925) Fidel La Barba (1927; Vacated title 8/23,1927 to enter college) Muhammad Ali vs. Joe Frazier. In 1913 he had been laying tin roofs in Pittsburgh for $12 a week, thinking he was making good money. Marvin Hagler 18. On paper, Greb's record is better against larger opponents than Sugar Rays, but Greb's victory over Tunney is marred when he hear how Tunney fought injured when he lost but beat Greb every time they fought subsequently. Marvin Hagler 4. Book review by Mike Silver If asked to name the greatest boxer who ever lived most boxing historians would most likely place Sugar Ray Robinson in the top spot. Roberto Duran vs. Sugar Ray Leonard (first bout) Gene Tunney and Billy Conn. Tony Canzoneri . Benny Leonard (runner-up: Harry Greb) 1930s . Discussion in 'Boxing Discussion' started by Mad King, Jun 17, 2013. LaMotta proved his abilities in the ring by beating Marcel Cerdan and Lamont Dauthuille and of course, he was the first man to beat Sugar Ray Robinson. Gennady Golovkin 12. Harry Greb >Sugar Ray Robinson. Thomas Hearns 15. "Terrible" Terry Norris. Harry Greb 6. Let's use his record and compare it with Harry Greb's, all while using the International Boxing Research Organization as a metric. . Arturo Gatti vs. Micky Ward. Freddie Miller 1933.29 Sugar Ray was actually a better welterweight than he was as a middleweight. Robinson beats Greb because we know how good Robinson is and can only speculate about Greb. Film of Ray Robinson in his prime at welterweight is just behind footage of Harry Greb in regards to being the most sought after boxing footage ever. Mickey Walker 7. LaMotta proved his abilities in the ring by beating Marcel Cerdan and Lamont Dauthuille and of course, he was the first man to beat Sugar Ray Robinson. Embed from Getty Images. Sugar Ray Leonard, 30 3. Jack Dempsey vs. Gene Tunney II print. Who would ever think of leaving the original Sugar Ray off this list. Harry Greb vs. Ray Robinson? Hall of Famers fought Harry G. It's somewhat close to an Apollonian versus Dionysian clash in personality, style, and character. Top 28 seeds get a first round bye with Rocky Graziano being the lucky 28th. 3 DVD. 3 DVD. Though it is almost impossible to overstate Sugar Ray Robinson's greatness, so much has been written on the subject of that inarguable status that little can be said without sounding redundant. Marvin Hagler 4. Flowers won the title from the great Harry Greb and beat him 2 out of 3! But it. Evander Holyfield vs. Riddick Bowe. Sugar Ray Robinson. In my last entry, I highlighted the training style of the legendary Sugar Ray Robinson.Another fighter who followed a similar approach and is also worthy of the "legend" title is Henry Armstrong. 1 SUGAR RAY ROBINSON. Leonard was slightly quicker off the mark and held a slight lead after 5 rounds. Joe Louis 1975.84 7. 3 DVD. . Given his claim to status as the best ever, it's natural to compare him to Sugar Ray Robinson. The Fight City Podcast No. 1. Muhammad Ali vs. Ken Norton. Willie Pep 1978.91 6. Roberto Duran 19. 8. level 1. 1. Roy Jones Junior 8. Read more. Robinson fought an awful lot, but Greb fought even more â€" and he did so more frequently against bigger men. Stanley Ketchel. Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Gene Fullmer (BONUS + iv ) 2 DVD. The Greb vs. Robinson Debate. Carlos Monzón 5. Ezzad Charles 11. The legendary Sugar Ray Robinson has beaten fellow boxing icon Muhammad Ali to be crowned the best boxer of all time. The fact remains that only Harry Greb and Sam Langford can mount a serious challenge to Robinson's supremacy in the pantheon of boxing legends . 3 DVD. DVD #4 Ray Robinson vs Dennis Moyer I - 42 minutes vs Dennis Moyer II - 40 minutes. This was my top five greatest boxers of all-time list but, now it should be my top 7. Nino Benvenuti . But I don't even view that as a fair comparison. Only one person fired back about this statement. Costner later gained a measure of redemption outside the ring, against great odds. Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Roberto Duran. Harry Greb Sugar Ray Robinson Jack Dempsey Gene Tunney Joe Louis Charley Burley Eddie Booker Jack Dempsey Ezzard Charles Archie Moore Jake Lamotta Willie Pep Henry Armstrong Benny Leonard Sandy Saddler . Frazier (32-4-1, 27 KOs) is a less accomplished fighter, but fought Muhammad Ali in three of the most memorable fights in the history of the sport. Henry Armstrong and Harry Greb came third and fourth respectively, while . $6.95. Leonard spent rounds 7 and 8 on the defensive while Robinson stalked and scored points. Dick Tiger 16. Carlos Monzón 5. Boxing News Clipping #329 - Johnny Colan, Al Ettore, George Nicholson, Milton Kessler. Harry Greb, and Sam Langford are both in my top seven and somewhere bet. ON TUESDAY, July 10, 1951, Pete Price watched his boyhood friend become the most famous fighter in the world. DVD #5 Ray Robinson vs Bobo Olson II, II, IV - 1 hour 10 minutes. Jake Lamotta vs Sugar Ray . Sugar Ray Robinson 2069.52 2. Bernard Hopkins 10. Stanley Ketchel 14. Barney Ross 20. Sumbu Kalambay 17. Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Gene Fullmer (BONUS + iv ) 2 DVD. Ezzard Charles 7. Charley Burley 3. Marvelous Marvin Hagler (1/17/1981, 51-2-2, 42 KOs) vs. Sugar Ray Robinson (5/1/1957, 140-5-2, 91 KOs) Marvelous Marvin Hagler comes in off of what was perhaps the single most utterly dominant victory of his career, a fight where he was at the height of his powers, the first knockout victory over Fulgencio Obelmejias at the Boston Garden. Roberto Duran 19. Pernell Whitaker 19. This past weekend saw, not one, but two potential Fight Of The Year candidates with Stephen Fulton and Brandon Figueroa. My first project with Glory Days Boxing, a 100 man single elimination tournament. Sam Langford 9. DVD #7 Ray Robinson vs Bobby Dykes - 50 minutes. In my eyes, yes, however there may be one or two shortening the gap between Ray and the likes of Harry Greb, Henry Armstrong and Ezzard Charles after taking the above in to account. Jake Lamotta vs Sugar Ray . Harry Greb 6. Kid Gavilan 1933.69 13. He certainly landed more punches. 9) Tiger Flowers. Sam Langford 8. Boxing History: August 6, 1894 Light Heavyweight Champion Harry Greb was born! Sugar Ray Robinson and Harry Greb epitomized true accomplishment in the sport of boxing. Ezzad Charles 11. 09-03-2021, 02:42 AM. Born in Cincinnati, Ohio, on July 22, 1923, Costner was raised during . Seeding was done based on ring general stars and then randomization, so your top 4 seeds are: #1 Sugar Ray Robinson, #2 Harry Greb, #3 Mickey Walker, and #4 Marcel Cerdan. Stanislaus Kiecal, ( September 14, 1886 October 15, 1910 ), better known in the boxing world as Stanley Ketchel was a boxer who became world middleweight champion. Muhammad Ali. 3 sugar ray robinson; 4 alan minter; 5 rocky graziano; 6 tony zale; 7 mickey walker; 8 harry greb; 9 stanley ketchel; 10 thomas hearns; 11 sugar ray leonard; 12 carmen basilo; 13 jake lamotta; 14 marcel cerdan; 15 gene fullmer; 16 terry downes; 17 carlos monzon ; 18 jack dempsey nonpareil; 19 emile griffith; 20 dick tiger; 1992 brindley (6) 1 . In fact, he had well over 100 bouts before he began to campaign full-time in the higher weight division. Charley Burley 3. The Greb vs. Robinson Debate Robinson fought an awful lot, but Greb fought even more - and he did so more frequently against bigger men. James Toney vs Mike McCallum: 3 DVD Marco A. Barrera vs Erik Morales: 3 DVD Greb battered him mercilessly over the final two rounds with Ketchel moaning each time Greb landed a body blow. Share 11 Tweet Jimmy Wilde 14. By Matt Bozeat. Share 11 Tweet Joined: Mar 1, 2012 Messages: 20,195 Likes Received: 0. 10 round fights to start with random referees and generic judges . Ray Miller vs. Jimmy McLarnin 1929 Frank Battaglia vs. Paul Pirrone 1934 King Tut vs. Bruce Flowers 1930 Jack Johnson and pet pig "Victory" 1910 Kid Gavilan vs. Sugar Ray Robinson 1949 Willie Ludick vs. Curtis Cokes 1968 Georges Carpentier vs. Benny was born "Benny Leiner" on April 7, 1896, in New York, NY. Dick Tiger 16. 3 DVD. Amazon Kindle Edition $7.99. The Ring Magazine in 2004 ranked Ketchel as the eighth greatest middleweight of all time, behind Harry Greb, Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon, Marvin Hagler, Jake LaMotta, Charley Burley and Tiger Flowers. Nino Benvenuti . Commonly known as Homicide Hank or Perpetual Motion, Armstrong fought at a blazing pace from start to finish. 1. Freddie Steele 1963.16 9. 53. 1. Image: Robinson: Sugar Ray's speed and artistry make him the best boxer ever, says Glenn image/svg+xml Glenn McCrory explains why Armstrong, Ali, Greb, Louis and Robinson are the best boxers . Sure, he won the Middleweight Title 5 times, but also lost it 4 times. Looking over the middleweights of history I see 4 who would have beaten him. Kurt Knispel. Robinson was a big welterweight and wasn't exactly . In my eyes, yes, however there may be one or two shortening the gap between Ray and the likes of Harry Greb, Henry Armstrong and Ezzard Charles after taking the above in to account. Fight Debate: Harry Greb vs Sugar Ray Robinson. He was nicknamed "The Michigan Mauler" or "The Michigan . Harry Greb, the amazing prizefighter with nearly 300 fights to his name, was just 32 years old. Round fights to start with random referees and generic judges due to his ferocious attack a remarkable career finishing. 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