on the ecosystems or direct influence on humankind. And the name of this butterfly is the Saint Francis' satyr. Okay, so did you believe at the time that this ought to have been an endangered species? Like, why are they thriving here and not out there? The tools of synthetic biology are advancing, these days, several times more rapidly than Moore’s Law. I seen the biggest snake I think I've ever seen in my life that day. Without them, the elk and deer they had preyed upon thrived, and their grazing decimated streamside willows and aspens, which had provided habitat for songbirds. And destruction. But there's one detail in all of this that really, really stuck with me. What's different? And the answer to both of those questions is: no, the butterflies just disappeared. A major problem faced by species with small remnant populations is progressive inbreeding. So I arrived in North Carolina last night, and ...]. Already, a number of industries have been economically impacted by species loss. Like, from Tom's POV, it's like, "If I hadn't discovered this thing in the first place, you wouldn't even care about it.". A New Adventures Production MatthewBourneโs Nutcracker!Music by Tchaikovsky Itโsa Nutcracker! There is a technique being developed at the Roslin Institute in Scotland which might serve, though. This story was reported by me, Latif Nasser. It involves creating chimeric parent birds with the gonads of the extinct birds, capable of fertilizing and laying eggs of the extinct species. So he told me the whole story about finding the butterfly. [ARCHIVE CLIP, Nick Haddad: So now we're at 11, 12, 13! Brian, it's—I don't get it, it's coming right towards you. BRIAN BALL: Like, why are they thriving here and not out there? Let's get in there with chainsaws. NICK HADDAD: So the Saint Francis' satyr, they live in an environment in North Carolina that helps plants grow quickly. TRACY JOHNSON: And I'm like, all right, let's go. âWhen you lose one species, it affects the ecosystem and everything around it gets a little bit more fragile while it adapts to change,â said Kelsey Wooddell, assistant director of the Earth Institute Center for Environmental Sustainability. What will the architecture of that ecosystem look like in the future? You know, I could point, you know, to a random butterfly, any one of the thousands, and Tom could go, "Oh, yeah. NICK HADDAD: Constant detonation of ordnance. I know that we will disappoint you inevitably at some point at Radiolab, but it won't happen in the next five weeks. Ooh. LATIF: So they went from, in the early '80s, a hundred butterflies, to the early 2000s, 1,700 butterflies, to now in 2011, 75 butterflies. ], [ARCHIVE CLIP, Nick Haddad: Beautiful purple flower. They have been over-hunted in tropical forests with several species going extinct. ], [ARCHIVE CLIP, Nick Haddad: Still nothing?]. Or seeking advice as to a preferred carrier for a trip you are planning, etc. Defining De-Extinction: Replacement by Proxy versus Assisted Recovery. And then there's more things you're gonna say, right? So they're like, okay, what—what just happened? For that reason alone, the old green building deserves to have its story told one last time. We protect them to undo harm that humans have caused. NICK HADDAD: So it was a no-brainer for me. And then Nick gets involved, and you know the rest of that story. organizations that are helping endangered animals. But why do it? Like, you know the image they have in, like, every high school history textbook of, like, World War I trench warfare? Visit our website terms of use at www.wnyc.org for further information. Ooh. A dozen species of horses were here, as well as the camel-like litoptern, giant beavers, giant peccaries, woolly rhinos, mammoths and mastodons. But then ... NICK HADDAD: I called to get reports from my graduate students to get, you know, daily updates on were these butterflies in the places we'd hoped? They appeared to be safe. Dave Barry reflects on 2021; Dick Tracy comic strip to have first female lead artist in 90 years; 24/7 Wall Street: slideshows based on data-driven journalism Like their apples as they look a little rough, no wax on them. So it really is, like, if we don't save it, it really is going to disappear. This is Brie calling from Austin, Texas. The first thing the army guy says is, "Look, there's this endangered butterfly on our base.". I know that we will disappoint you inevitably at some point at Radiolab, but it won't happen in the next five weeks. And he wrote all the music for this thing, and wrote—just, like, it was a true feat of one man doing everything, and it's kind of mind-blowing. 24, 25. Let's just wait, see what happens, come back next summer. Dams cause water to build up, and then that water is enough to drown the caterpillars who are eating the grass-like sedges. TRACY JOHNSON: Fort Bragg has got a lot of areas that aren't disturbed and haven't been disturbed for hundreds of years, you know, thanks to the ranges. Honestly, I struggle with this one because you can—like Saint Francis' satyr, you cannot make the argument that they are pollinators or prey in their ecosystem that matter to anything. This butterfly had a feature that just played right into my hands. LATIF: And a whole bunch of other places nearby. After I'm done teaching for the year, I'll just drive down there, a few days in the summer. Through time, through space. So he calls it the Saint Francis' satyr after the patron saint of animals. So of course, when I'm counting them, I'm in competition with Brian to see the most butterflies. His name is Chris Nagano. They'd basically go in with their hands and just break up these dams. Oh, 28! LATIF: This is an argument that Nick has to face all the time. So Nick still has a fight on his hands. Now Nick, he's an ecologist, he's a conservationist, but ... NICK HADDAD: I'm not an entomologist. Children growing up in such a century might have a view of the relation of humans with nature that is not tragic, for a change. Through consumption and digestion, elephants disperse more seeds farther than any other animals; this fosters the growth of plants and trees that birds, bats and other animals depend upon for food and shelter. And I'll just use this like a phone. More sunshine and more space for grassy sedges to grow. But when I told him I was interested in talking about the Saint Francis' satyr, which was not one of the butterflies he was charged for, he was super game to talk. And it is not mixing with the neighbors. Found inside โ Page 40These methods , however , were not good enough for the HBC , and so beaver conservations were introduced . The HBC feared that the beaver would become extinct , so they introduced regulations that would discourage Natives from killing ... butterflies from protected sites, listed butterflies. You know, should we be picking out these little, itty-bitty things that there's just a few left of and, you know, put a lot of resources into trying to save them? TOM KRAL: I was 19 years old and, you know, I started collecting butterflies on Fort Bragg. Even seals nearly went extinct. In my office, I became where I was kind of the beaver liaison for our office. CHRIS NAGANO: I mean, the guy was just a machine. I dunno. 35! If humans disappeared from the earth, just suddenly vanished, I think the earth and all her flora and fauna would recover quickly. And the powers that be agree. Which for me as a reporter, I was like, he just pulled the rug out from the entire story I just did. LATIF: And hey, and while we're at it, let's start some fires! So obviously, no caterpillars, no butterflies. And so I'm the one that's always looking for snakes. Two things worry conservation professionals. LATIF: Like, from Tom's POV, it's like, "If I hadn't discovered this thing in the first place, you wouldn't even care about it.". Can we—oh, there it is, right below you.]. NICK HADDAD: So first, there's basically no people to muck with the ecosystem. LATIF: Books and articles all over the bedroom. And hey, and while we're at it, let's start some fires! JAD: Did he convincingly pull out the rug or did he ...? So Chris and his team show up at Tom's house in TucSon, Arizona. So it's a beaver deceiver. He has to answer, like, why should we care about this butterfly? LATIF: He had a room full of cabinets, and the cabinets were filled with butterflies. Yeah, and special thanks to Snooki Puli, Cita Escalano, Jeffrey Glassberg, Margot Williams, Mark Romyn, Elizabeth Long, the Public Affairs and Endangered Species Branches at Fort Bragg. Nick himself is in really bad shape. NICK HADDAD: Honestly, my mouth was agape at that. But then as I was finishing the reporting, I talked to somebody, somebody integral to the Saint Francis satyr story, who took Nick's lesson—killing in order to save, life springing forth from death—and pushed it further. Once the beavers' suitcase of twigs were unpacked in the new home, no more disturbances. Nick had never been allowed access. So I talked to the guy who was actually on that raid. Do you go by Thomas, Tom? Soldiers are being parachuted out of planes onto landing fields. Elephants also dig water holes that all animals share, and they fertilize the soil with their rich dung, which provides food for other animals. Sequenceable DNA can be recovered from museum specimens and some fossils of extinct species. Add redundancy to one of any number of pathways, and youโve multiplied your cancer protection many-fold. BRIAN BALL: It's—there's a lot of science to it and there's a lot of art, but there's a—pretty close to a flamethrower, yeah. At some points in the year, bombs are going off 24/7. We've actually studied the Georgia Satyr. And seems pretty clear, the problems are flooding and fire. I was exhilarated. Well there's one, but in a place I never see them. ", [ARCHIVE CLIP, Nick Haddad: Let's see if it goes back to this flower.]. LATIF: Early 2000s, Nick is sitting in his office. I have been searching for a reasonable explanation of preservation of endangered species, and the search continues still. We head out to look at what the butterfly's habitat looked like. 1996.The Works of Josephus: Complete and Unabridged. That was quick.]. LATIF: These fires often get started because of the artillery range. LATIF: They have to wait for a green light to tell them that live fire has ceased. Our fact-checkers are Diane Kelly and Emily Krieger. Through time, through space. One is that de-extinction would be so expensive and high-visibility that it would divert money and attention from crucial programs to protect endangered species. These include measures to allow for the consideration of economic impacts when enforcing the ESA, ending the practice of automatically giving threatened species the same protection as endangered species, and making it easier to remove species from the endangered list. NICK HADDAD: Well, it turns out it's just almost nothing. NICK HADDAD: And that one was because of a catastrophic wildfire that just scorched everything. LATIF: The way that it came across in the paper it's like, "Oh my God! I mean, that's the only feeling I had is, well, exhilaration and relief. All those reasons apply to bringing back extinct species, plus some — such as the pure thrill of the prospect of herds of mammoths bringing tusker wisdom back to the far north, or clouds of passenger pigeons once again darkening the sun. Like, what was the artillery range giving to you that I was not?" Found inside โ Page 31Some of the ancient species of beavers in North America weighed less than three pounds; others were nearly 10 feet long. Many types of terrestrial mammals reached their zenith, in terms of size, during the Pleistocene epoch when the ... And that's okay. For a good comparison of the Table of Nations in Genesis 10 and the writings of Josephus on this subject, see Bodie Hodge, Josephus and Genesis Chapter Ten. But then as I was finishing the reporting, I talked to somebody, somebody integral to the Saint Francis satyr story, who took Nick's lesson—killing in order to save, life springing forth from death—and pushed it further. LATIF: A quick note: in the time since we started reporting this, the number of Saint Francis' satyrs has gone back down a little bit. He often loses sleep over it. 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